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Journal Entry: Fri Jan 24, 2014, 9:04 AM
Comments Enabled:

You know what? I need to stop being such a baby.

I said the main reason that I suspended comments was that I wanted to prevent spoilers, spam, and tr0lls. I think the real reason is that I was too afraid to hear what people have to say about a project I care deeply about.

The fact is that as much as I try to do my best and write something, the fact is there will be people who think is royally sucks, is too slow, not enough boobs, not enough violence , and etc.

5th Capsule is not for everyone, it was never meant to be, and never will be.

This was the main reason why I want it to be free and to be away from publishers, so that I can do as I please and try to give you something different. Most of you now would say that the story is going in a normal fashion, but you don't know what I have planned for later. The fact that I don't have to worry about PG ratings, or PR ratings for that matter, and that i don't have a toy line hinging on it's success, means that I can really make anything happen.

As long as there is someone over your head with cash in hand, you are not in charge.

All I will say is give me 300 pages, and I will entertain you.


The Future of 5C:

Well, it goes without saying that if it's free you're gonna have to wait. I thought about putting it on patreon, or doing a kickstarter, but shipping out stuff is hard, and I kind of shot myself in the foot doing it in BW which will not lend itself  to printing  the way I coloured / shaded it.

I do it in BW since I can do a page in a day. But for future pages, or chapters, I will do a few in colour as a bonus.

So here's what I am planning, what I will do is pay for a month of my time by selling commissions, original pages, and the like. I will have all sorts of options in price from baller status to entry level. 

Kickstarter takes a slice, any site takes a slice. Why do I need them? I can raise money on my own. I mean I do commissions anyways, why not allocate the cash to 5C? I think it's a simple idea that might work.

One day down the line I will consider printing it, but for now it'll be a webcomic. Maybe I can print out super limited editions when I get to 100 pages and put tons of art in it.

If I can come up with 22 pages in a month, 3 times this year, we will have 100 pages.

These are just some thoughts, but as we reach the end, I don't want you guys to feel it's a dead end. But any future pages will be in batches of at least a scene of 3 pages to 10.


Thanks for your support! This is my gift to you all, it's free, so enjoy it! I will make some more colour stuff for it, but i think it will stay BW, it's charming in a way, and attainable and maintainable. 




If you haven't read my story 5th Capsule go here! :

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I really do thank you guys and I hope I have been of some use to you.


Asalaamu Alaikum = Peace be upon you!



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Leonidas666 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
good show :)
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OceanwaveII Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
(Consumer culture in the 80" 90'alot slower than 2000 + ) m Technology too... yeah Lol.. how you draw effect the end result . I had this idea of doing huge symbolic collages for the Orixas African spirits with my character entangled with in it  .Technology wise it of been impossible to print except on a massive canvas . And even harder to fit into a Browser lol technology put a damper on  being too creativity . I eventually switch to scrolls which can fit into a browser .Get even worse now that everyone in there momma is on phones , had to learn new HTML5 technology to make sure website and comic now adapt to mobile devices . Which really can put a damper on story telling lol probably won't cater too much to that , Get to small and it ruins the art. When I making my comic I did it because I wanted to do it and had passion for ( still making it )But lol.. most likely won't be a huge seller ,but one of the beauty internet you will find dedicated audience that like your work  however big or small . I wanted to attractive pinup like character mixed with Mythology of specific character from African mythology , and matching myths  with a lot of personality and character , there probably audience for that ,but not as big of an audience as it might be for "Random Boob /Skinny light skin character generic European-Japanese RPG character +Maid outfit" lol..
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OceanwaveII Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
(Posted this in the wrong spot lol replied to another comment) hm... well like can understand the sentiment of not wanting to enable comment story telling is subjective . And people liking different kind of entertainment can easily fall into fanatical tribalism with the Critic acting as Priest urging people onto battle. Everyone got a different idea of what artistic integrity means , beyond , Don't outright bootleg the artwork. Some thing I can say there is something objective underneath it all..but it won't make the art critic happy or the literature critic happy .. though not what most people think lol.. the type of story that become popular are adapted to the social environment . Story in the past moved slower  ,because the world moved slower .  because you didn't have the internet twitter and bombarded by information in a high tech world , Work stayed at "Work" didn't follow you everywhere you went  (Well hell I've been internet damn near since the 90s it now moves much faster now than it did back in the days of AOL and 56k  modem, Now people don't even have the time to sit down and visit website gotta have it twitted lol.. )  . So story now are shorter and more disposable . Also there More media . Got 50 things I can play right now to occupy my attention span for hours Video games Netflix , etc.. I Remember seeing this thing on Chinese Novels (Pre-Industrial culture ) had a hundred different characters with detailed back-stories. That would never happen today lol.. in any industrial  culture ,not enough time and too much work/overwork/overtime  to pay attention to it .
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C4Fuu Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014  Student General Artist
Man, thank you for the comic, i really love this Love 
I like normal life comics, it feels relaxed but also somewhat intense when there's a problem 
It's fun to know other people's story especially when there's a lot of cars in it :la:
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Psycho-Werekitsune Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist

I was confused about the closed comments at first, but I can understand why you did it. In the end, it's up to an artist as to whether they want critique or not and it isn't a crime to not want people to defame your "baby". I don't mind either way, in all honesty.

 

But now that I can comment on stuff, I'd love to know if all the characters in the comic are based on actual people from your life growing up. That is, assuming that Gradius is a projection of you and, if not, just ignore me. XD

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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Professional General Artist
Thanks man!, Gradius is more of a projection of me when I was young and not how I am now.
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Psycho-Werekitsune Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, that's what I meant. I keep looking at this as a sort of "Omar's Secret Origins" comic, but obviously played up to be more entertaining.
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Professional General Artist
This is toned down hugely. If I told my life story no one would believe me. I only am giving snippets and trying to stitch it together to vent it out and contribute something beneficial to young folks.
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Psycho-Werekitsune Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wait, wait, are you telling me your actual real life experiences are MORE exciting than this? O:
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Professional General Artist
My life has been very colourful that's all I'll say.
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Psycho-Werekitsune Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hey, as long as you find some way to impart the wisdom you gained through your experiences, right? If 5C is your outlet, then I say keep it up, because it's always great to learn more about the people you admire and you are definitely someone I can say that I do.
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DTJB Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If anybody says anything about an artist, they still took the time and effort to talk about an artist.  Still enjoying this comic, keep up the great work.
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EdMoffatt Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I've been seeing your 5C updates in my feed for quite a while and checking out the odd page but never really getting into it, and then yesterday I decided "right, lets read this thing from the beginning".

The result was staying behind at work for a good half hour, then reading more on my phone before bed, checking out a few more pages first thing when I woke up this morning, and finally finishing off the remaining pages during my lunch hour at work today :D  Once I started reading it, I didn't want to stop - I absolutely love what you've done so far, and I can't wait to see more.
I also really admire the attitude of you putting so much work into this because it's something you love.
I'm sure you don't have any shortage of people wanting to commission you, but if it's to support 5C then I'm sure there are plenty of newly converted fans like me who will be keen to find ways to chip in and support it even without a Kickstarter!

Thank you for sharing, and I can't wait to read more in the future :D
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Professional General Artist
I am smiling, thanks for that!
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Sofie3387 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey, I just wanted to tell you I absolutely love your work on 5C. The story is great and your art is absolutely stunning! I especially love the character's expressions and the way the story is down to earth but in the meantime not. The story and the concept has so much potential and I'm convinced I won't be disappointed!

Also, kudos on the regular updates. That's a hard one to pull off and it tells how much energy and soul you put into the project. Trust me, it's reflecting in your qualiry of drawing and writing. I hope you keep up this spirit because I'll be looking forward to new pages. If you ever decide to print this, I'll be happy to buy a copy!
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Professional General Artist
Thanks a lot!

There will be a pause for a few weeks as i have to get other work done, but I will make sure any other thing I do other than work related art will only be 5C. The goal is to get to page 100 by the end of this year or earlier. That will be one book out of 3 or 4 for gradius's story.
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Meeowy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you for sharing your thoughts on your original comic and my personal thoughts are ignore the negative people and focus on those who love the story for the story itself. your right you will never please everyone and will only stress yourself out if you try. I'm not if this site will help you but I fell in love with SIN (found on DA first) www.mangamagazine.net/index
long story short they seem to really support the artist. anyway good luck and looking forward to more pages :) 
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OmegaDez Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
Omar... I never understood why you can be so humble... Why would people (most of whom are already fans of yours) dislike 5C? Or at least say bad stuff about it?

Why do you think it's not for everyone? Because it's not about superheroes?

Heh. Even I feel more confident about my own comic even though it's nowhere near 5C in any way... :)
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014  Professional General Artist
The pace is slow in spots and the story demands you pay attention and read into all the points. I engineered it so you can read into the symbolism in panel and placements of things etc, which make it an intense read of more than the  text. But I think I see that since i wrote it, but most people will onlyt catch those things after reading it a few times.

I think that makes me feel that most of my fans who know me for SF stuff will find it a huge departure from face bashing and characters with anger management issues.
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OmegaDez Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
Haha.

I guess I'm a different kind of fan since I've been into your stuff since the late 90s.
And even though I'm a big SF fan, and I mostly got reacquainted with your stuff through your wonderful Sakura comic. (being a huge Sakura fan and all), I always prefered to see you draw your own stuff since you obviously have so much more passion doing it.

(just like it's obvious you prefer Ibuki to Sakura (*sobs*) just from looking at your art of them both)

At any rate, I think you're good enough at what you do to be known as Omar Dogan the artist, and not as Omar Dogan, the guy who works for Udon.


Also, I totally get what you mean with the symbolism and panel detail. I try to throw some random visual cues in the background of my own comic, but most readers read the text, and pay little attention to the actual art, much less the details in it. :(
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014  Professional General Artist
Those extra things within the story are more for ourselves and  also a gauge as to how serious are fans are or aren't, heh.

Ibuki has more dimension than Sakura. Though having said that, I feel almost all the stuff I've worked is calculated for a market playing off of likeable archetypes.

If I got a chance, i would really write a very emotional / internal Ibuki story about her coming to grips being a killer and school girl. Like a story about her first kill and how it felt. I mean that is a real story, not the pablem that is out there just explaining is more detail whats already outlined in the game story.

There's no consequence or room to move working on those books, therefor no real love if i claim to be a creative person. For those books, the love is of the technique, accolade, and what i perceive the character to be. The real fun would be to do soemthing with them with no care for the outcome in relation to the game.

I want to make an example of that and show it's way more interesting. take the busniness minded people out of the equation and you will get creativity. I have a huge respect for fanfic done well.
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SlingBlade87 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
Oh sweet, now I can actually respond to things instead of just wishing I could!
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Thesis-D Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I think your story is great as is, and with the flow and themes it already has. Slice of Life is something everyone can relate to on some level, and it's enjoyable by a great many people who want something told from a different perspective or style. You don't have to change things if you don't want, and I think you could continue to have a success with this comic even if you didn't make any major changes. Do what feels right to you and honor your original concepts and ideas. The fact  you've opened up the comic to praise and criticism is big of you, but don't let that change your vision at all. You're on the right path.

God bless you and your endeavors. :)
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Professional General Artist
Thanks! I'm doing this not to make something that'll sell, but I just have somethings I wanna get off my chest in this story..
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Thesis-D Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That passion will ensure the success. :)
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thats great man, for some reason the trolls dont wound me that hard anymore, sometimes they even help me improve as a person.
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Professional General Artist
Yep, that's right.
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JoniVera Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
 I'm a huge car nut and love all the effort you put drawing them. Any chance on a FR-S/GT-86-like vehicle ?
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Professional General Artist
They exist, I think I named them FR-86 , if you love drifting all your favs will find their way in. The story is not about drifting, but again, you'll just have to wait...
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konami25 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
its in the slice of life category and its the first of its kind that i actually love reading much of th story line is very entertaining and the BW suits it
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Ojkuj Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
Hooray for the comments! OMG MOAR POEMS!  And by the way, you could sell some pages of the story - e.g. the maps, with the level of detail you've put into them, they are excellent on their own. At least I'd buy it ;-)
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Melloiguana Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll follow you every step of the way and pick you up when you are down. :)
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AdorkableINK Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Student General Artist
*applause* Nod 
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lostwonder60 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
The thought of someone trolling on your work or giving a negative response for no reason is pretty intimidating, especially on the internet, but despite how hurtful some responses may be, words alone can't stop you from doing what you want to do. ;) 

After reading the pages you created and released so far for 5C, I'm really enjoying it! The characters are really fun to get to know, and the smooth pacing really gives a sort of chill and feel-good vibe. It stands well on it's own without having to be over the top and it doesn't have to be. 

I really look forward to see what lies in store for this series. Keep doing what you're doing and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! 8)
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Jiekkun Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Id follow 5c anywhere 
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AlanSteenhouwer Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
I've got a lot of comments to make.
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captainq1632 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Thank you.  :)
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Before-I-Sleep Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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mortalshinobi Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
yeah, there are places i've wanted to comment and sadly haven't.  i'm glad you're opening the comments up now. :)
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AJ-Lethal Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice. Now I can drop witty comments and horrible puns :p
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional General Artist
Ah, some aisle of puns? Awesome i love puns!

(see what I did thar?)
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Anths95 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That's awesome that comments are allowed, I saw that on the newest installment and I wasn't sure if it was a mistake or not! I'll wait as long as necessary for more segments; if it takes longer so that you're able to keep it your own personal project and not have to be over-commercialized, so be it! :) I was hoping that there would be an affordable way to financially support the comic so I'm intrigued by the entry-level option (ideally I'd just commission you straight up, but that probably won't happen until I graduate college and have a "real" job... and "real" money :P). 

Also, I'm enjoying the fact that there aren't a ton of boobs or violence and has a nice calm pace. It's a great change and it really shows how solid a writer you are that you can make an interesting story without having to resort to fanservice or a rapid-fire pace. 

And if you do print it, I would absolutely buy it - there's something special about having a book vs. an online publication. 

Anyway, thank you for undertaking this project, it's been very fun to read, and I can't wait to see the future of it!
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional General Artist
Thanks a lot!

In relation to lack of fanservice or boobs, part of this is to show it's women's character that make them really appealing.

Everything i work on seems to be in such a rush because people have become too impatient and expect instant gratification. For something to be worth it and high quality in terms of emotion and context you have to build it over time. Read old books, old children s stories form the early 1900's and you'll see the pace was very slow and very engaging.

I've always hated flash and bang as a main course for books. It has a place of course, but less is more. Sometimes life is boring, slow, and frustrating, and then when nice stuf happens it really catches you and you get impact.

I mean , how many freaking times can someone punch someone in the face as an answer.

Action follows story, not the other way around.
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Anths95 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome :) 

That's an excellent point. It's no good having a beautiful girlfriend if she can't hold a conversation or she drives you crazy!

Totally understandable. I'm sure that professionally, for your job, you're expected to churn out a lot of art with all the projects you work on, and I'm also sure that gets old after a while! 

Another example of that deliberate, slower pacing is Studio Ghibli movies. They're amazing, beautiful, and some of my favorites of all time, but only a few have violence (and they only use it when they really need it), and they all build their stories up slowly and carefully. It just makes them better, though. 

And I think that's why I find a lot of it so relatable - nothing's forced or "flash and bang", it all just seems to sorta... happen, just like in real life. There were sudden moments (such as "sweater girl"'s entrance back into Gradius's life) but it happened in a realistic way. 

:lol: Hollywood would have you believe that's the only answer, lol...
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional General Artist
This story is intended to be the  100% opposite of everything I have worked on in concept, style, and theory.

It flies in  the face of it all, especially the fact it's free, and I want to keep it that way.

Everything I work on non 5C is commercial art and serves the purpose of selling product, plain and simple.

This story is for the people who are sick and tired of some profit hungry folks trying to feed you the same tripe year after year and sell you a product or bilk you of your change.

Slow and steady wins the race. They gave tea for free in India, and then people got hooked. The same will work here also as long as my tea is good and well steeped, 'nah mean?
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Anths95 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That had to be quite an interesting shift for you then :P

And that's why I think, if it isn't already, it should be at least as popular as the profit-hungry publications, despite the advantage they have in terms of staff and publicity, precisely because it's NOT one of them. People like to be refreshed with a new story, and they like someone willing to stand up for artistic integrity, but it's rare, especially from someone with your skill and experience in the industry.

I know what you mean exactly (and it's worked for me already, I'm solidly hooked)!
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Omar-Dogan Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional General Artist
I'm not sure if it will be popular, but i don't want to die without trying to give a good swift kick to the nads of all the things I disliked the most in my career.

If 100 people read it fanatically, I will be happy. Still more when people cosplay it, which has already happened lol.
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OceanwaveII Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hm... well like can understand the sentiment of not wanting to enable comment story telling is subjective . And people liking different kind of entertainment can easily fall into fanatical tribalism with the Critic acting as Priest urging people onto battle. Everyone got a different idea of what artistic integrity means , beyond , Don't outright bootleg the artwork. Some thing I can say there is something objective underneath it all..but it won't make the art critic happy or the literature critic happy .. though not what most people think lol.. the type of story that become popular are adapted to the social environment . Story in the past moved slower  ,because the world moved slower .  because you didn't have the internet twitter and bombarded by information in a high tech world , Work stayed at "Work" didn't follow you everywhere you went  (Well hell I've been internet damn near since the 90s it now moves much faster now than it did back in the days of AOL and 56k  modem, Now people don't even have the time to sit down and visit website gotta have it twitted lol.. )  . So story now are shorter and more disposable . Also there More media . Got 50 things I can play right now to occupy my attention span for hours Video games Netflix , etc.. I Remember seeing this thing on Chinese Novels (Pre-Industrial culture ) had a hundred different characters with detailed back-stories. That would never happen today lol.. in any industrial  culture ,not enough time and too much work/overwork/overtime  to pay attention to it .
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Anths95 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, it ought to be. And that's hugely admirable, most people would just keep taking the paychecks and dealing with it quietly; you're actually doing something about it. 

Well, here's one of one hundred, lol. And seriously, already? That's awesome :) 
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DarkerEve Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Hehe finally!! don't need to be worry about the trolls and the spams, that always will be and luckily there are not that many in this site, people relate way more and favs the works when they can share they opinions on the story in the same site, that creates interesting discussion between fans wondering sometimes where the story will flow and how will continue, at least in my experience in here it's been a real pleasure :D, and I sure 5C will have a way better feedback now :la:
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